inle

i think the wine investment "guru" is gone liao....
haf not seen him ard tis thread to voice his comments....
wonder if he haf more opinions to share yet????

monkeybusiness

hi,
sorry for the late reply. Never saw this post...lol

First of all, the scheme that I bought the wine is called "En Premier", which is something like buying futures, just that in this case, it is wine futures.
It is a guaranteed return offered by the company, at 18% for 18 months. After which the 18 months is due, the company will buy back the wines from me. There is a certificate given by the company that states that the company will buy back from the investor.

Next, the name of the wine i bought is called "Chateu Lafitte Rothschild 2006". I bought it at $960 per bottle, and I bought 6 bottles. So in total, it cost $5760. This is the amount that I invested in and I should be able to get it back in August next year when the 18 months is due.

This is my first purchase and first investment in wine. So, of course, I would like to start small at just the 5.7k amount. Initially, the wine broker recommended me a portfolio that is a 5-figure sum!!

In the meantime, while waiting for it to reach it's expiry, I am still reading on wine investments and wine appreciation matters...

http://www.decanter.com/

This is the website which I learnt from. Quite a nice read, but just that some of the stuff mentioned are probably too complex...haha

inle

thx for sharin....
hopefully the contract wz the company u dealt wz on the wine futures s good....
worst come to worst s default....
but i think u will haf tat sorted up already....

good for u.....

jumper

You can check out CrystalWines 2006 En Primeur prices here -> http://www.crystalwines.com/EP/EP06/

You can pretty much buy the 2006 vintage from many merchants. It's not a great vintage to invest with in the first place that why it's so cheap. 2007 is another mediocre vintage and prices are expected to be same or even lower than the 2006.

Go talk to the major wine merchants like Crystals Wines, Vinum, Condale, Wine Culture and do a price check and inventory availability. You want to invest, do some research, dont invest blindly.

Good luck!

Sky_UAG

Just would like to share with you an article from London Stock Exchange
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...cleID=18503321

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hollandboy

Hi, everyone. I am a newbie here in this forum.
About the investment u guys r talking about - FWI.
Its not oni Old World Wines r building profits, recently New World Wines r raking in profits too.
If anyone of u like to know more, i am pleased to furnish u wif more detailed info.

Our service includes: informed selection of premier New World Wines, bespoke investment portfolios, fully insured storage in optimum climate controlled storage facilities, regular market updates, and most importantly - the resale of your wines.

Cheers

inle

hi SKY n hollandboy, both of u doin the sane thing????
if not, wats the diff????

i like to START A MATURE THEMED FORUM for MATURE issues...
HOPE U GUYS can SUPPORT n VOTE @ the link BELOW....

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THE NEW BOOK FORUM IS ALREADY UP @ the link BELOW....

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Sky_UAG

same...
You want to learn about this business module give me a shout.. i'll guide u.

Straits Times : Asia's wine market to grow 10-20% in next 5 years: study
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2...ry_215712.html

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haloez141

you buy wine.
you keep for 20 years.
then sell it off.
that's what i called wine investment.

Sky_UAG

Anyway i believe that yes some of you will think that i did some bad reply giving u guys a different point of view in this Wine thing.
I admit my unprofessionalism saying all those shitty words to "jumper" , and yes i admit that i am giving a bad imppression to others...

nonetheless in the end of the day, its up to you to decide whether to learn this business module or not..

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winebuff

Hey guys I am looking to invest in some en premier wines like Mouton Rosthchild, Chateau Montrose and Chateau Leoville.

Please share with me some views in the forum thread here: Singapore Wine Community

monkeybusiness

hey, that's a nice forum
thanks for the recommendations..
i only know that 2007 vintage is not considered as a good vintage. It's labelled as drinker's vintage..lol

winebuff

ya... I only realized that recently.... But i heard that the 2005 vintage is going to be released soon. So i doubt it make sense to invest in 2005....maybe I wait for 2008...

monkeybusiness

mind sharing what wines have you bought so far in your portfolio?
I only have an "en premier" portfolio of Chateu Lafite Rothschild 2006.

Personally, I actually prefer the "en Premier" scheme, rather than those that require a holding
period of 3 to 5 years... I guess it's because since this is a new form of investment for me, therefore I am more careful with my investment, rather than to lock up with such a long time frame.

ratsalad

All these interesting discussions about wine investments got me thinking a little... so I thought I'll give some of my opinions too.

Just a brief background of myself, I just returned from Canada where I took a 4 month course on Wine Science... so I think I have some confidence to objectively voice my opinions, although I am sure of course that there are many other people more qualified than I am.

Here are some considerations I think people ought to think about when deciding whether wine is a good investment:

1. Wine vintage - while a good producer (i.e. Chateau Lafite Rothschild) consistently outputs relatively good quality wine compared to other producers, one thing that cannot be controlled is vintage. Vintage is defined as 'a season's yield of wine', and the quality of the yield of grapes in a particular year not only depends on the winemakers' skills... it also depends on the weather - which is variable and cannot be controlled.

While winemakers in certain regions (i.e. USA) are allowed to do whatever they want to the grapes and wine (i.e. irrigation in hot seasons/climates, acidification, chaptalization - adding of sugar to grape must), producers in regions like France (especially high quality wine producing regions like Bordeaux) are not allowed to irrigate their vineyards, chaptalize, acidify, etc - thus the quality of the vintage largely depends on the weather. If you are considering to buy into the current season's wine, then better be careful to make sure that the weather in the vineyards' regions have been good.

In fact, one cannot be sure of the weather's effects on the grapes until after the harvest - if it just happened that near the intended harvest date there had been wet weather... grapes get diluted and quality goes down.

2. Cellaring - Of course, brokers usually have everything covered for you - they will cellar your wine properly and you can sell them when the wine you invested in have aged till they are 'ready for drinking'... when tannins in the wine have matured enough. Since the wine is still changing while it is ageing, one cannot discount the risk of having a wine that is supposedly rated as 98 points at first, being graded lower when reviewers finally uncork them to drink.

Another thing to find out is - are your investments protected against problems such as degradation of wine quality due to improper storage conditions or power outage, etc? I read that bottle breakage is insured against, but how about these other problems?

3. Wine investment marketing - IMHO, wine investment is a fad. Who knows when this fad will blow over? My guess is as good as yours. Recall the dot com bubble sending share prices rocketing before exploding. Wine is pretty much the same concept.

4. Exit strategies - there are so many wine investors out there, and even though the number of rich people buying premium wines to drink are growing, I suspect there are more investors than drinkers - your broker must either have lots of contacts or avenues for you to safely dispose of your investments at the right time and price... or you'll be stuck with a cache of very valuable wine (paper value).

This is the same problem as with postage stamp investments - there are very valuable UK stamps from the 1800s lying around in people's homes but few buyers out there willing to pay valuator prices for them. My dad was a victim of this himself.

5. Reputation/Qualification of your broker - how qualified is your broker/agent in terms of wine knowledge? I suspect that most wine investment salesmen only know as much about wine as they ought to in order to persuade someone to invest. Do they really know how to choose and appreciate 'investment-grade' wine, or are their choices largely based on what rating Robert Parker or Wine Enthusiast gives the wine? Are they armed with Wine MBAs from Bordeaux, or are they regular joes like you and me holding a BSc or BBA, just got into the job 6 months ago and just wanting to etch a living?

I know it's difficult to find someone with the proper knowledge (there are only so many of them out there, and I believe many are purely wine enthusiasts and not in the wine investment business)... but the truth is that if you just want to rely on the convenience of having somebody think out everything for you in terms of your wine investment, then you have to live with the risk that the advice given is potentially just a few basis points more professional (if at all) than an amateur wine lover's.

6. Return vs Risk - Projected returns discussed in this thread ranged from about 8% a year to ? 40% compounded after a few years? Investment amounts range from mid-4 digits to 6 or 7 digits?

Then again, let's revert to the age old saying that if its so profitable, why don't those investment companies/brokers save the good investments for themselves? If they are so sure that they'll earn 40% in 5 years, why should they be content with just earning a commission of 12%? Obviously the risk of holding wine investments is much higher than brokering deals... that they'll choose to earn 12% over 40%!

Well, if I've got $300,000 to spare, and I die die must invest in wine, I will become an investor in a vineyard or winery! Producing and selling wine can be as profitable as plain speculating and less risky, if you do your homework before investing!

Just as good an idea will be to start a wine shop/bar/distribution business - selling wine and wine accessories for all budgets.... that amount is good enough to get a well stocked shop and enough working capital, I think. (PS: If anyone is interested in this idea, you can get me in as a working partner!) Just look at Denise Wine, so many shops in Singapore and Malaysia, and mostly selling average quality wine.

Those are just my honest opinions about wine investment, from what I've learnt in the past 4 months. Feel free to voice your opinions... just to clarify I have no interest in wine investment, nor do I have any vengeance against wine investment companies =)