SHIMURE

On Saturday Evening, Apol and I had the pleasure of meeting another Tarot reader in singapore. I requested the reader to do a three card spread for Wen and I.



For the purposes of the spread, the reader only used 22 major arcana cards and the spread is as follows.

According to how the person saw it.

Apol has some dark secrets which he is unable to let go of based on the devil.
the present card is the best card in the deck and is cycle of luck as good.
the last card is a new beginning.

According to how i see it.


This spread shows the following aspects.

Firstly, in the past, perhaps Apol had lost of control, giving into lust, bad acts and such.
The present sees a realization of control of enlightenment and achievement.
The future sees Wen questing for more knowledge and control of himself.
According to how the person saw it.

I had a higher calling for higher purpose in the past and i am not doing what i am to do.


The temperence explantion is saying that there should be action since all elements are there.

The person explained that the magician is also initiation of actions and all elements are there.

In my terms, i disagree with the meanings given for judgement. there is no higher purpose for me to do or calling in the past.

It is more like i need to let go of the past issues.

the meanings for temperence given by the reader is vague and very shallow. the person kept stress on luck cycles and of good fortunes. i don't understand why. to me the temperence meant art of alchemy which is to take actions from thoughts and to fulfill them in reality and to change my perceptions and dreams and fulfillment.

the meaning for the magician is to let my will be done an emphasis of the 2nd card.

After meeting the reader, our assessment of the reader and from our conversation with the person is disappointment. We had expected that the person possessed some level of higher understanding in tarot. Instead the person has not even achieved the 1st level of the art which is mastery of the major arcana. In our course of conversation, i did offer to guide the reader and give some pointers, but i was flatly refused and challenged by the person in stating that the person had his own methods and will not accept information. Thus the person's cup was too full and satisfied with the current cup not wanting to change and get a bigger cup? Or the student is not ready? or the master is not worthy for this student?

In my opinion, the 3 card spread should include all 78 cards as each is different and each card will give further emphasis of the others. Using all majors, as a tarot reader beginner, it seems acceptable but one would fall into the trap of comfort with them and forget ever using the balance of the deck.

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"When people consult me, it's not that I'm reading the future; I am guessing at the future. Based on the omens of the present. If you pay attention to the present, you can improve upon it, what comes later will also be better."

Apocalyptic

I've given this spread some thought, and I would like to add a caution to the reading.

While it is not inaccurate, the reader used only the major arcana, and did not do reversals. This in my opinion severely limits the possible interpretations available.

By using only the major arcana, the intricacies of the minor arcana is left out. The suits of wands, cups, swords and pentacles were not always present (although they were present in some cards), and this leaves out valuable insights as to the reference of the reading. Are the cards referring to career, relationships, studies, or ambition?

Also, the major and minor arcana indicate to me internal and external forces respectively. This allows me to look at a reading and advise the querent on what he can and cannot affect, and how best to approach the outcome. By not including the minor arcana, the reader is either choosing to only look at external forces, or not taking the issue into consideration.

The lack of reversals here further limited the depth of the readings. While there are some readers I know who do not do reversals and are still accurate, reversals are thought in the Rider-Waite tradition as they give additional meanings to the cards. The reader was working on only 22 possible interpretations.

Further to that, a three card spread is very general. Using only upright major arcana with this spread, there's a possibility of only 66 interpretations (a one in twenty-two chance of each card coming up in each of the three positions). Compare this with 234 possible interpretations if a full deck is used, and 468 possible interpretations if a full deck and reversals are used. While more interpretations do not necessarily mean a better reading, having more possible interpretations allows a good reader to better understand and appreciate the reading; which in the end translates to better advice. That's what we look to the Tarot for after all, is it not?

That being said, I would still like to extend my thanks to the reader for the time and effort it took to do the reading. And as always, I wish you all all the best in your journey with the Tarot.

"Destiny has no secrets."

larrenV2.003

Hmm to sum up that the lesser the cards the harder to interpret and needs more of the further understanding when dealing with major arcana? Rite to say that?

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SHIMURE

Firstly, if only the major arcana are used without minor arcana and reversals, a lot of the meaning of the tarot is not there and there is no possibility of it being shown in the spread.

Secondly, That would depend on the question and the ability of the reader. If the reader is competant and have very good knowledge, he would use the entire tarot deck and could draw from the following systems as well. Astrology, numerlogy, mythos, kaballah, and other arcane knowledge.

Thirdly, it would also very much depend on the querant and the focus level at that time.

Once i did a three card spread for a client and immediately i could discern that he is not focusing and is worried about some other things instead of the question which he wanted to ask. He asked about his health, but the cards to me he was more worried about his work.

"When people consult me, it's not that I'm reading the future; I am guessing at the future. Based on the omens of the present. If you pay attention to the present, you can improve upon it, what comes later will also be better."

msunpredictable

woah, i didn't know that its that bad...

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broylim

woah~ didnt know that even a 3 card reading is that difficult...
i cant say i'm that fantastic but i believe in using all the cards because it's there for a reason~
what's the point of eating a western meal by just eating the fries and leaving everything else on the plate to be eaten by flies?

Loukezxv

HAHAHA!!! i like ur example!!!! LOL!!!!

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broylim

haha... thanks?

i heard from my friend that the yugioh card game actually has a deck based on tarot... really interesting... but some of the cards are missing so i wonder if he can actually use those cards for reading... haha...

perhaps can but not give accurate results though... haha...

SHIMURE

Hmm maybe can ask Ryuza about it,.... he is very into yugioh

"When people consult me, it's not that I'm reading the future; I am guessing at the future. Based on the omens of the present. If you pay attention to the present, you can improve upon it, what comes later will also be better."

ryuza

if u are talking abt that one... i dun think they might release the full 78 cards...

it is called the Arcana Force series of cards...

quite a number of Major Arcana cards are featured but not all 22 are printed out... and there are 2 Aces (swords, cups)

so far, dun really see other cards le, so maybe they giving up on printing... but main thing is, i see the cards, dun give me a feel of reading, its possible, but very hard to read...

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