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24-02-2008, 01:42 PM
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Total SGC$: 59.00 | Re: Do human see the same colour as each other? we are human and we are made of different colour and so we are just a human being of different colour....but then we as a human being always forget and we ended up fighting over this matter "different colour" or "color" or "races"?...i dont know...well i find that we are all the same anyway... |
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27-06-2008, 01:38 AM
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Total SGC$: 2,236.04 | Re: Do human see the same colour as each other? | Quote: | | | Originally Posted by Nutrition Park | | | | | | yes always had such a suspicion also.
since we've grown used the the labels accorded to the shades we see.. we label a particular shade the same thing even though we might be seeing it differently.
not an expert but i guess we probly see different shades, in terms of colour intensity, brightness level. probably not LARGE differences lah.
we have 6 to 7 million "rods" which are photoreceptors in our eyes to capture colour.. dont think everyone has identical receptors, right?
actually we might never be able to find out the answer unless you can take over someone else's brain and eyes for a short while hahaha. | | | | | actiually I have been thinking, if so call "possession" or "exchange of bodies" is true (mean it really happen before...  )....is it counted we have already "view through other people body?"
If we still see the same colour as each other, does it mean human percieve the same colour generally?
All this is just my own conjunction of "what-if" human is able to exchange bodies? will it be solves? can it be counted as solves if we human can exchange vision? 
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29-06-2008, 10:32 PM
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Total SGC$: 2,236.04 | Re: Do human see the same colour as each other? How do We See?
The act of seeing is realised in a very progressive way. Light clusters (photons) that travel from the object to the eye pass through the lens in front of the eye where it is broken and falls reversely on the retina at the back of the eye. Here, the impinging light is turned into electrical signals that are transmitted by neurons to a tiny spot called the centre of vision in the back part of the brain. This electrical signal is perceived as an image in this centre in the brain after a series of processes. The act of seeing actually takes place in this tiny spot at the posterior part of the brain which is pitch-dark and completely insulated from light.
Now, let us reconsider this seemingly ordinary and unremarkable process. When we say that "we see", we are in fact seeing the effects of the impulses reaching our eye and induced in our brain after they are transformed into electrical signals. That is, when we say that "we see", we are actually observing electrical signals in our mind.
All the images we view in our lives are formed in our centre of vision, which makes up only a few cubic centimetres of the volume of the brain. Both the book you are now reading and the boundless landscape you see when you gaze at the horizon fit into this tiny space. Another point that has to be kept in mind is that as we have noted before, the brain is insulated from light; its inside is absolutely dark. The brain has no contact with light itself.
We can explain this interesting situation with an example. Let us suppose that there is a burning candle in front of us. We can sit across from this candle and watch it at length. However, during this period of time, our brain never has any direct contact with the candle’s original light. While we see the light of the candle, the inside of our brain is solid dark. We watch a colourful and bright world inside our dark brain. The same situation applies to all our other senses. Sound, touch, taste and smell are each perceived in the brain as electrical signals.
Therefore by processing the data in the centre of vision and in other sensory centres, our brain, throughout our lives, confronts not the "original" of the matter existing outside us but rather the copy formed inside our brain. It is at this point that we are misled by assuming that these copies are instances of real matter outside us. http://www.islamicity.com/Science/qu...HowdoWeSee.htm 
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29-06-2008, 10:34 PM
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Total SGC$: 2,236.04 | Re: Do human see the same colour as each other? "The External World" is Inside the Brain
As a result of the physical facts described so far, we may conclude the following. Everything we perceive as the "matter", "world" or "universe" is nothing but electrical signals occurring in our brain.
Someone eating a fruit in fact confronts not the actual fruit but its perception in the brain. The object considered to be a "fruit" by the person actually consists of an electrical impression in the brain concerning the shape, taste, smell, and texture of the fruit. If the sight nerve travelling to the brain were to be severed suddenly, the image of the fruit would suddenly disappear. Or a disconnection in the nerve travelling from the sensors in the nose to the brain would completely interrupt the sense of smell. Simply put, the fruit is nothing but the interpretation of electrical signals by the brain.
Another point to be considered is the sense of distance. Distance, which is to say the distance between you and this book, is only a feeling of emptiness formed in your brain. Objects that seem to be distant in that person’s view also exist in the brain. For instance, someone who watches the stars in the sky assumes that they are millions of light-years away from him. Yet what he "sees" are really the stars inside himself, in his centre of vision. While you read these lines, you are, in truth, not inside the room you assume you are in; on the contrary, the room is inside you. Your seeing your body makes you think that you are inside it. However, you must remember that your body, too, is an image formed inside your brain.
The "external world" presented to us by our perceptions is merely a collection of the electrical signals reaching our brain. Throughout our lives, these signals are processed by our brain and we live without recognising that we are mistaken in assuming that these are the original versions of matter existing in the "external world". We are misled because we can never reach the matter itself by means of our senses.
Moreover it is again our brain that interprets and attributes meaning to the signals that we assume to be the "external world". For example, let us consider the sense of hearing. It is in fact our brain that transforms the sound waves in the "external world" into a symphony. That is to say, music is also a perception created by our brain. In the same manner, when we see colours, what reaches our eyes are merely electrical signals of different wavelengths. It is again our brain that transforms these signals into colours. There are no colours in the "external world". Neither is the apple red nor is the sky blue nor the trees green. They are as they are just because we perceive them to be so. The "external world" depends entirely on the perceiver.
Even a slightest defect in the retina of the eye causes colour blindness. Some people perceive blue as green, some red as blue, and some all colours as different tones of grey. At this point, it does not matter whether the object outside is coloured or not. In conclusion, the reason we see objects coloured is not because they are coloured or because they have an independent material existence outside ourselves. The truth of the matter is rather that all the qualities we ascribe to objects are inside us and not in the "external world".
So what remains of the "external world"? 
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29-06-2008, 10:55 PM
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Total SGC$: 2,236.04 | Re: Do human see the same colour as each other? Materialists claim that what we have been saying here is a philosophical view. However, to hold that the "external world", as we call it, is a collection of perceptions is not a matter of philosophy but a plain scientific fact. How the image and feelings form in the brain is taught in all medical schools in detail. Everyone who believes in science, be he an atheist, Buddhist, or anyone who holds another view has to accept this fact. A materialist might deny the existence of a Creator yet he cannot deny this scientific reality. The inability of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Georges Politzer and others in comprehending such a simple and evident fact can be regarded as normal to a certain extent considering the level of scientific understanding and possibilities of their times but it is nevertheless startling. In our own time, science and technology are highly advanced and recent discoveries make it easier to comprehend this fact. Yet, it is indeed very surprising that there are still materialists who do not understand it.
These facts, proven by the 20th century science, and particularly by physics, clearly show that matter does not have an absolute reality and that everyone in a sense is watching the "monitor in his brain".
However, materialists today, and especially Marxists, are coming to realise this fact. This is why they say in their own publications that this subject is more important than the theory of evolution, since it is directed straight to the essence of matter. As they come to perceive the scientific realities and think on them, they have gradually begun to comprehend the subject. If they consider the issue more honestly, we think they will soon understand that the concept of matter (including the brain) that they elevate so much is in fact an illusion perceived in the brain. http://www.islamicity.com/Science/qu...ntificFact.htm 
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