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Old 08-01-2008, 11:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A gracious Singapore? Not in my lifetime: MM
By Li Xueying



MM Lee Kuan Yew believes environmental consciousness among Singaporeans 'will take more time to develop'. -- ST PHOTO: ALAN LIM

ENVIRONMENTAL consciousness among Singaporeans will come about very quickly when they realise how they will be in trouble when changes in the climate take place.

But attaining a gracious society will take more time, said Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew on Monday at a dialogue marking the 40th anniversary of the think-tank, the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies (ISEAS).

In fact, he believes it will not happen in his lifetime.

'I will not see it, maybe you will live long enough to see it, I wish you well,' he told 48-year-old economics academic Euston Quah to laughter from the audience of diplomats, academics and government leaders.

Dr Quah had asked a question about Singapore's progress in terms of social graces and environmental consciousness just as the country succeeds economically. It will not happen so fast, Mr Lee replied.

'I think it will take more time to develop and mature culturally as a people.'

Even the British, he said, were 'sitting at a very high level over an empire for nearly 150 years before they developed their culture and then being invaded by football hooligans and foreigners who are now joining them and coarsening their society'.

'So it's very difficult to get a rough society onto a cultivated plane and it's very easy to bring it down,' he concluded.

Environmental consciousness, on the other hand, will come very quickly 'when something happens and they say, you do that, your whole environment changes and you are in trouble'.

On the other hand, the idea of a gracious society - 'where people are considerate to one another, where you don't make more noise to upset your neighbour than you need to, where you tell the other motorist, Please have the right of way' - was 'harder to come by,' said Mr Lee.

'It will take time, but I hope it will come with cultivated living over a long period of time.'

Mr Lee recalled how, 45 years ago, Singaporeans wanted to take their chickens with them when they were resettled from kampongs into high-rise flats.

'So it took some time to get them adjusted. A more cultivated way of life takes a very long time,' he said.

'I will not see it, maybe you will live long enough to see it. I wish you well.'

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Old 09-01-2008, 02:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmm.....it will happen.....in 150 years time...


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Old 09-01-2008, 03:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Maybe when Singapore becomes Super Power Country.
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Old 09-01-2008, 10:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Maybe.


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Old 09-01-2008, 10:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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A people's govt? Not in my lifetime too.


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Old 09-01-2008, 11:07 AM   #6 (permalink)
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how to be gracious when the pple r so inconsiderate including the elite n the pple at the tops......
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Gracious? Perhaps we should start with people like AMK MP's daughter first, who claim she is the elite.
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GRACIOUS SOCIETY IN OUR LIFETIME? Goodness gracious NO

Most S'poreans agree with MM Lee that we won't see one anytime soon

By Kor Kian Beng
January 12, 2008


A STRAW poll of 100 people by The New Paper showed that seven in 10 think they won't see a gracious society in their lifetime.

And they include the post-65ers.

They were echoing Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew's sentiments, which were expressed at a dialogue to mark the 40th anniversary of the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies on Monday.


He was responding to a question about Singapore's progress in terms of social graces and environmental consciousness just as the country succeeds economically.

The New Paper polled 20 people in each of the five age groups: 18 to 30, 31 to 40, 41 to 50, 51 to 60, and above 60.

Of these, 68 believed they would not live to see a gracious society here.

The Singapore Kindness Movement defines a gracious society as one that encompasses the appreciation of culture, heritage awareness, education and the desire for learning, and civic-mindedness.

The least optimistic in the poll were those in the 31 to 40 age group.

Only about a quarter felt they would see a gracious society in their lifetime.

Those aged between 18 and 30, however, were more hopeful, with half responding yes. (See table above right.)

IMPOSSIBLE
Student Lye Urn Lee, 19, was one of the younger ones who felt that a gracious society is near-impossible.

He said: 'It's just our culture that has been around for very long. We're brought up in a manner that doesn't encourage graciousness from within.

'We can become gracious only after a long time, but that will definitely not come within my lifetime.'

Mr Kenneth Lim, 31, an assistant manager, agreed.

He said: 'People are getting more selfish. The younger generation now spend less time with their families, so who's going to teach them how to be respectful and considerate?'

His main grouse: The many ungracious drivers and selfish commuters on public transport.

This is among the top ungracious behaviour listed by those polled.

They also cited not holding doors for others as another ungracious act.

Examples of such behaviour are similar to the list compiled by the Singapore Kindness Movement in a survey of 1,000 respondents, The Straits Times reported last May. (See report on facing page.)

TWO GENERATIONS
Mr Gerard Peck, 46, an information privacy manager estimated that it would take at least two more generations to cultivate civil compassion.

Mr KH Teo, 61, who works in the oil industry, reckoned it will take at least 20 years.

His reason? Social graces will suffer as Singapore becomes more affluent.

He said: 'It's a matter of attitude. When people were poor, they were more patient and considerate as they could empathise with others.

'Now that they're richer, they think, 'Why should I give in to you?'

Another reason cited by the pessimists: The increasingly competitive lifestyle here makes people less considerate to others.

Mr Lim said: 'With more foreigners coming to work and live here, it will make Singapore a more competitive place.

'People are going to become more selfish and have less time to be gracious to others.'

Others were more hopeful.

Madam Koh Ah Lian, 56, felt five years would be enough to put an end to ungracious behaviour - such as spitting or quarrelling in public.

How? With sustained education and campaigning, she said.

Student Felicia Goh, 19, agreed.

'Singapore tends to copy Western culture and in my opinion, that is a gracious culture.

'So, hopefully, in my lifetime, we can copy their good traits and become a gracious society too.'

Mr Steven Chiu, 36, a general manager, was one of the rare few who believes that Singapore is already a gracious society, though not in the conventional sense.

He said: 'The way Singaporeans show graciousness is different from the Westerners, who believe in treating and speaking nicely to others in public.

'Singaporeans can be considered gracious by the way they have given generously to charities and to other countries in need.'

Student Wang Simin, 18, was more candid on why she is hopeful of a gracious society in her lifetime.

'I think I can see it. I'm still young with a long life ahead of me, hopefully.'

- Additional reporting by Teo Chin Ghee, Chong Zi Liang, Megha Gupta and Aditi Shivaramakrishnan, newsroom interns

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Old 12-01-2008, 10:31 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Think forever none at all.
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Old 12-01-2008, 10:33 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Not in this lifetime either. Cos we are not just singaporeans but others foreigners as well. Even if the local singaporeans can achieve it, there will still be several to spoil the things for you.


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Old 12-01-2008, 09:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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gracious singapore. hard....but which countries had acheived it yet?


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Old 13-01-2008, 12:30 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Hate to disappoint MM Lee, but may take another 100 years or more.

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