EPL - The Relegation Battle

**chinkai** · 08-05-2007, 01:40 PM

Charlton 0 - 2 Tottenham

With this result, Charlton will join Watford in the Championship next season.

Now that two of the three has been confirmed, let us look at who will be the most likely to join them.

CURRENT STANDINGS
(Team-Goals scored-Goals conceded-Goal difference-Points)
Sheff Utd=====(31)=====(53)=====(-22)=====(38)
West Ham=====(34)=====(59)=====(-25)=====(38)
Wigan=====(35)=====(58)=====(-23)=====(35)

For a start, the teams are ranked in this order:
1. Points
2. Goal difference
3. Goals scored
According to the EPL rules, if two teams stand equal based on the three rules above, they are deemed to be "of equal position".

WHAT'S LEFT?
Final day fixtures - West Ham will visit Man Utd, while Sheff Utd will play Wigan at Bramall Lane (Sheff Utd home).

A MATHEMATICAL LOOK
Set the variables first.

Man Utd x
West Ham y

Sheff Utd p
Wigan q

What must Wigan do to stay up?
DEFEAT Sheff Utd. The Man U-West Ham result is of no concern to them because in this scenario it is highly possible that West Ham will go down.

What must West Ham do to stay up?
The simplest scenario is for them to get at least a point at Old Trafford.

Failing that, they will have to pray that Wigan beats Sheff Utd by more than (3 + x - y) goals. For instance, if West Ham loses to Man Utd by 2 goals, then Wigan will have to win by 5.

If Wigan wins Sheff Utd by EXACTLY (3 + x - y), then Sheff Utd must not score more than (3 + y) - ie, p < 3 + y.

However, if p = 3 + y, then according to the EPL rules, West Ham and Sheff Utd will be on EQUAL POSITIONS. There has been no such precedent in the history of the EPL, but if such a case happens, a playoff is the most likely deciding factor.

What must Sheff Utd do to stay up?
They must win or draw with Wigan - this means that Wigan will go down.

In case they lose to Wigan, (q - p) < (3 + x - y).

The worst case scenario for them is to fail the above condition and p > 3 + y. (See the underlined paragraph above for the case if p = 3 + y.) Anything worse and they will go down.

My predictions
Man Utd 1
West Ham 0

Sheff Utd 2
Wigan 1

In this case, Wigan will be relegated.

All the best to the three teams in their survival battles!

**prince_piggy** · 08-05-2007, 01:50 PM

rubbish la..u tink football is abt mathematics ar..omg..although it makes a bit sense how mnay goals how many goals bt u think pple n players will care so much..the main target is to score more goals n collect all 3 pts..man u having crowned champs tink will rest all his players for FA cup final against the mighty blues which man u will eventually lose n chelsea still best of teh season wif 2 silverwares.haha..wigan will beat sheff..byeee sheff..

**p0125772** · 08-05-2007, 02:07 PM

west ham will not be relegated..

**prince_piggy** · 08-05-2007, 02:41 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by p0125772
	west ham will not be relegated..

i agree wif u..haha..sheff ll b goin dwn again..heskey will score winner..

**ah_lei** · 08-05-2007, 02:51 PM

manu won care de la since they win the champion le... i think it will be a draw. =) shaf utd and wigan i also think it will end in a draw. bloodly draw. 5 ppl get sent off 4 ppl injured. =D

**p0125772** · 08-05-2007, 02:55 PM

i think sheff will win leh..somemore hme ground leh..as long as west ham dun relegated then can liao..hehe..

**phat_dicks** · 08-05-2007, 03:31 PM

i'm forever blowing bubbles!!

**prince_piggy** · 08-05-2007, 03:46 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by p0125772
	i think sheff will win leh..somemore hme ground leh..as long as west ham dun relegated then can liao..hehe..

wigan like is a more better team lehx..their team nt bad but dun knw y can kip losing..haha..they didnt treasure their chance..bt i back wigan to win.. $$$$$$

**prince_piggy** · 08-05-2007, 03:49 PM

west ham...best best..tevez to score..buy AOS if u bet./..
wigan ar..try 3-0? bet on heskey to run wild..haha

**p0125772** · 08-05-2007, 03:54 PM

haha..i feel tat wigan is a better team too..but sometime must depend luck..all the best to u..

**prince_piggy** · 08-05-2007, 03:58 PM

haha..thanks for support..i agree..luck play a part..juz like chelsea..their luck runs out..

**cloudzero** · 08-05-2007, 07:42 PM

west ham will stay up.. i hope sheff utd go down.. but looks like wigan will go down.. so funny.. last season wigan was so gd this season dey look like a newly promoted team

**chinkai** · 09-05-2007, 12:28 PM

They call this the SSS - Second Season Syndrome. The first season, they may exceed expectations because nobody around them expects that much of them. Then now they are burdened with the expectation to reach that same level when it was not realistic to begin with.

I'm hoping that West Ham will stay up. Carlos Tevez is too good a player to be playing in the Championship.

**burtonho1990** · 10-05-2007, 03:19 PM

westham will stay

**ghimpheng** · 10-05-2007, 07:37 PM

i think the 1st post using watever your so called maths calculation is total nonsense

by using logical thinking wigan will be relegated considering west ham excellent form and that they are facing already crown champions man utd who is in the fa cup final and likely to rest several key players

while sheff utd vs wigan and sheff utd is @ home even though they might be around the same strength as wigan but they are @ home thus the home advantage

wigan are most likely to get relegated but anything can happen in football

**chinkai** · 11-05-2007, 02:39 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by ghimpheng
	i think the 1st post using watever your so called maths calculation is total nonsense

I only offered an objective look of the possible scenarios which can happen, and note that I didn't account for the current form of the teams. But then again, if you think about it, on the final day of the season, the form book almost always flies out of the window. Who knows, West Ham may actually beat Man U at OT (even though personally as a Man U fan I won't want that to happen! =P)

Just wondering, but any of you thinking of betting on these two matches? I think it would be quite interesting...

**ghimpheng** · 14-05-2007, 12:06 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by chinkai
	And also to those who thought what I posted was nonsense - did I say that any of the clubs are CERTAIN to be relegated? Watch your attitude, Mr. Chelsea fan. I only offered an objective look of the possible scenarios which can happen, and note that I didn't account for the current form of the teams. But then again, if you think about it, on the final day of the season, the form book almost always flies out of the window. Who knows, West Ham may actually beat Man U at OT (even though personally as a Man U fan I won't want that to happen! =P) Just wondering, but any of you thinking of betting on these two matches? I think it would be quite interesting...

wigan survive sheff utd relegated

and yes it is total nonsense the maths calculation thingy

08-05-2007, 01:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
chinkai 日本語& Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,387 iTrader: (0) My Mood: Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: Bedok SGC$: 1,046.26 Bank: 0.00 Total SGC$: 1,046.26	EPL - The Relegation Battle Charlton 0 - 2 Tottenham With this result, Charlton will join Watford in the Championship next season. Now that two of the three has been confirmed, let us look at who will be the most likely to join them. CURRENT STANDINGS (Team-Goals scored-Goals conceded-Goal difference-Points) Sheff Utd=====(31)=====(53)=====(-22)=====(38) West Ham=====(34)=====(59)=====(-25)=====(38) Wigan=====(35)=====(58)=====(-23)=====(35) For a start, the teams are ranked in this order: 1. Points 2. Goal difference 3. Goals scored According to the EPL rules, if two teams stand equal based on the three rules above, they are deemed to be "of equal position". WHAT'S LEFT? Final day fixtures - West Ham will visit Man Utd, while Sheff Utd will play Wigan at Bramall Lane (Sheff Utd home). A MATHEMATICAL LOOK Set the variables first. Man Utd x West Ham y Sheff Utd p Wigan q What must Wigan do to stay up? DEFEAT Sheff Utd. The Man U-West Ham result is of no concern to them because in this scenario it is highly possible that West Ham will go down. What must West Ham do to stay up? The simplest scenario is for them to get at least a point at Old Trafford. Failing that, they will have to pray that Wigan beats Sheff Utd by more than (3 + x - y) goals. For instance, if West Ham loses to Man Utd by 2 goals, then Wigan will have to win by 5. If Wigan wins Sheff Utd by EXACTLY (3 + x - y), then Sheff Utd must not score more than (3 + y) - ie, p < 3 + y. However, if p = 3 + y, then according to the EPL rules, West Ham and Sheff Utd will be on EQUAL POSITIONS. There has been no such precedent in the history of the EPL, but if such a case happens, a playoff is the most likely deciding factor. What must Sheff Utd do to stay up? They must win or draw with Wigan - this means that Wigan will go down. In case they lose to Wigan, (q - p) < (3 + x - y). The worst case scenario for them is to fail the above condition and p > 3 + y. (See the underlined paragraph above for the case if p = 3 + y.) Anything worse and they will go down. My predictions Man Utd 1 West Ham 0 Sheff Utd 2 Wigan 1 In this case, Wigan will be relegated. *All the best to the three teams in their survival battles!* 皆さん、こんにちは。僕はチンカイです。どうぞよろしくお願いします。 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-05-2007, 01:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
prince_piggy Addicted SGClubber Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 450 iTrader: (0) My Mood: Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: AMk SGC$: 288.10 Bank: 200.00 Total SGC$: 488.10	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle rubbish la..u tink football is abt mathematics ar..omg..although it makes a bit sense how mnay goals how many goals bt u think pple n players will care so much..the main target is to score more goals n collect all 3 pts..man u having crowned champs tink will rest all his players for FA cup final against the mighty blues which man u will eventually lose n chelsea still best of teh season wif 2 silverwares.haha..wigan will beat sheff..byeee sheff..

08-05-2007, 02:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
p0125772 Selina Hebe Ella Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,128 iTrader: (0) Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: Woodlands SGC$: 922.23 Bank: 170.00 Total SGC$: 1,092.23	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle west ham will not be relegated..

08-05-2007, 02:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
ah_lei still a dancin broccoli! Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 506 iTrader: (0) Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: amk SGC$: 537.42 Bank: 0.00 Total SGC$: 537.42	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle manu won care de la since they win the champion le... i think it will be a draw. =) shaf utd and wigan i also think it will end in a draw. bloodly draw. 5 ppl get sent off 4 ppl injured. =D what's over, its over.

08-05-2007, 02:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
p0125772 Selina Hebe Ella Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,128 iTrader: (0) Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: Woodlands SGC$: 922.23 Bank: 170.00 Total SGC$: 1,092.23	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle i think sheff will win leh..somemore hme ground leh..as long as west ham dun relegated then can liao..hehe..

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phat_dicks Addicted SGClubber Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 305 iTrader: (0) Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: amk SGC$: 415.85 Bank: 103.25 Total SGC$: 519.10	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle i'm forever blowing bubbles!! this.is.what.living.like.this.does.

08-05-2007, 03:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
prince_piggy Addicted SGClubber Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 450 iTrader: (0) My Mood: Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: AMk SGC$: 288.10 Bank: 200.00 Total SGC$: 488.10	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle west ham...best best..tevez to score..buy AOS if u bet./.. wigan ar..try 3-0? bet on heskey to run wild..haha

08-05-2007, 03:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
p0125772 Selina Hebe Ella Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,128 iTrader: (0) Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: Woodlands SGC$: 922.23 Bank: 170.00 Total SGC$: 1,092.23	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle haha..i feel tat wigan is a better team too..but sometime must depend luck..all the best to u..

08-05-2007, 03:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
prince_piggy Addicted SGClubber Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 450 iTrader: (0) My Mood: Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: AMk SGC$: 288.10 Bank: 200.00 Total SGC$: 488.10	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle haha..thanks for support..i agree..luck play a part..juz like chelsea..their luck runs out..

08-05-2007, 07:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
cloudzero Guitarist Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,127 iTrader: (0) My Mood: Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: AmK SGC$: 1,045.75 Bank: 207.53 Total SGC$: 1,253.28	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle west ham will stay up.. i hope sheff utd go down.. but looks like wigan will go down.. so funny.. last season wigan was so gd this season dey look like a newly promoted team

09-05-2007, 12:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
chinkai 日本語& Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,387 iTrader: (0) My Mood: Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: Bedok SGC$: 1,046.26 Bank: 0.00 Total SGC$: 1,046.26	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle They call this the SSS - Second Season Syndrome. The first season, they may exceed expectations because nobody around them expects that much of them. Then now they are burdened with the expectation to reach that same level when it was not realistic to begin with. I'm hoping that West Ham will stay up. Carlos Tevez is too good a player to be playing in the Championship. 皆さん、こんにちは。僕はチンカイです。どうぞよろしくお願いします。 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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10-05-2007, 07:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
ghimpheng TrueBlue Chelsea Fan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 438 iTrader: (0) My Mood: Gender: Zodiac Sign: Country: Location: Sembawang SGC$: 583.87 Bank: 1.41 Total SGC$: 585.28	Re: EPL - The Relegation Battle i think the 1st post using watever your so called maths calculation is total nonsense by using logical thinking wigan will be relegated considering west ham excellent form and that they are facing already crown champions man utd who is in the fa cup final and likely to rest several key players while sheff utd vs wigan and sheff utd is @ home even though they might be around the same strength as wigan but they are @ home thus the home advantage wigan are most likely to get relegated but anything can happen in football A Blog For Football Lovers - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Recruiting Football Players - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.