shoan99

So what was your ball speed and wat drilling layout did you match it with? One of the drilling patterns in the attitute drilling manual?

Storm

i dun drill according to the manual i cross reference from the drilling methods of other ball manufacturers which they do it for the professionals in pba

and so far what my ball driller gave me i have no complains cos i have always believed that there is no mapping,only whether the bowler himslef/herself is able to figure out the chrarcteristics of a particular ball and work the fullest potential of the ball


and if u have bowled long enough very seldom u see pple talking bout mtaching up ball speed with layout,pple always match up drilling pattern with regards to desired ball reaction/rev/lane conditions


and also ever wondered why some ball companies have 4 or 5 or 7 layouts shown in their drill chart but upon comparison its almost similar?
reason is simple,cos the ball drilling patterns are similar to each other cos the cores are either,pancake cores,symmetrical or asymmterical cores hence why its not really hard to see similarities although some ball manufacturers will release to the public what the pros are drilling but some are not

u can check out the details from the drill charts of diff ball manufacturers and see,u will see that all the drillings are more or less the same unless other wise specified

for advance tour lay outs
http://www.ebonite.com/techcenter/raid_drilling.pdf
and they dun talk about ball speed also,they talk about rev rate

and fyi rev rateis NOT EQUAL to high ball speed cos we can alter the rev rate abd ball speed during our delivery hence why when it comes to ball drilling,this is not taken much into consideration
and in drilling #3 of the above chart,they talk about
Suitable for: High Ball Speed, Low RPM’s, Heavy Oil Patterns
hence why i say high ball speed is not equals to high rev rate

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When you say "no mapping" do you mean the pro shops dont need to find out the bowler's pap and do mapping? They just drill the "standard" drilling and let the bowler figure out themselves? Because so far, i dont think my driller ever try to find out my PAP. or maybe he has figured it out from the worn tracks on the ball.

Storm

sorry it should be no "fixed" mapping
my mistake i was typing too fast to realise that i left out the word "fixed"

when i mean no fixed mapping meaning when the ball is drilled in accordance with the pap and such but not in any particular way cos how the ball works will depends on how the ball is drilled and how matched up it is to the lane conditions,it is up to the bowler to know the chracteristics of the ball in order to get the max out of the ball...

this was what i meant or to put it in simpler words...the ball driller will often ask this question when someone drills a new ball would be "how u want the ball to react?"

for me personally i will just tell the ball driller this sentence "dun ask me how i want the ball to react,u drill the ball according to the specs based on top weight and pin distance than u drill the max drilling out of the given specs and tell me how the ball should react"

reason being even if the top wieght of the ball is the same,the pin distance will not be the same and vice versa,thats why u can nvr find 2 balls in the world with the same exact specs,so instead of making the ball driller headache,why not let him do his job and let me as a bowler figure out how to utilize the ball fully?

cos thats the reason why we are spending so much on a ball,if we buy a ball and under utilize it,might as well dun buy it better right?

as far as i am concerned personally it is every bowler's responsibility to know their own specs which means its every bowler's duty to know what is the span,pitches and pap in order for the ball driller to do well,every aspect of the game is always inter-linked,cos its not everytime we are able to match up our equipment to the lane conditions 100%,so we must be versatile in order to excel

thats why in sports pyschology there is always a A game,followed by B game and C game and so on so forth

if your ball driller dun ever try to find out where your pap is can be due to 2 reasons
1....u are a beginner with no fixed pap
2....he already figured out your pap from your old ball

so which is which u gotta ask him yourself

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u are welcomed to join the classes i organised for sgc look out for it under the sports club section

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ic.. thks bro..

shoan99

Hi Storm,

When you say "max drilling" you mean you tell him go for the strongest drilling that's allowed for that particular ball?

And very interesting point on bowlers should know their span, pap, pitch etc. However, I get a feeling that pro shops don't really want to give me that info because they might be afriad that i take the info and let someone else drill and thus they risk losing business. How do you actually ask that info from a proshop without them giving you that look.

Storm

yes i will tell my ball driller to max out the ball meaning give me the strongest drilling the ball can have based on the ball itself ,cos i have said before since we are oaying so much for a ball why not use it to its full potential?

for me i just tell them to give mi my specs straight in the face(but in a nice way) if not i just bring my ball to another ball driller to have them checked

u cant blame the ball drillers for giving u that look cos sg is a relative small country so business is ermmm...get what i mean?
u will be surprised at how some ball drillers even go to the extend of bad mouthing another ball driller saying the specs he gave is not right blah blah blah just to snatch business
in this world there is no such thing as a bad ball driller its only whether u are comfy with the specs he gave u

as a beginner my advice for u is the same as for other beginners,go for your foundations
equipment aspect of the game sud be the last thing on your mind now

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Storm

my advice to beginners is not to pay so much attention to equipment yet but concentrate on the dleivery aspect of the game cos without a good delivery whatever good ball lands in your hands,u aint optimizing the ball

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