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Old 15-04-2008, 11:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Anyone tried Rico drilling before?

Hi, just want to know if any of you tried it before? In case the term don't apply in Singapore, Rico drilling means drilling a ball the same way as you would normally drill it on your polyester ball, placing the pin in the middle of your grip. However in the high performance ball, the cg is kicked out 45 degrees from your PAP. The X-hole goes 6 3/4" from the PIN through the CG.

This would result in a high performance ball reacting in a controlled and predictable manner. You can say the ball has been 'tamed' by this kind of drilling. Many 'ang moh' bowlers in USA use it because of their strong release and high rev rate, which results in high performance ball hooking too much for them. I know not many in our local scene use it because we do not have the hand.

If any of you had tried before, how do you find it? I am asking this because I am thinking of drilling one of my high performance ball this way to use on dry/light oil condition. Currently I am throwing polyester on dry lane. Thinking of trying this drilling on a high performance ball, but need to gather more info first.
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Old 15-04-2008, 11:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Anyone tried Rico drilling before?

my friend tried this type of drilling and it was unsuccessful for him.
Perhaps it was quite a waste on the high performance ball as well.. since its a ball to react that way.. by taming it..defeating the purpose
2ndly, the hand thing is correct.. most of us asian don't have that kinda palm or rev rate
(we're mainly forcing to get that while its natural and easy for the americans)

unless you've got too many high performance balls on your hands and want to experiment , i guess the smarter choice would be a less aggressive ball for the drier patterns


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Old 15-04-2008, 11:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Only people like Hooker .. ermm Oops .. Mr Hook bowling has those type of palm size to rev the ball ...
Most of us here dun have such big hands & palm.

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Old 15-04-2008, 11:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Anyone tried Rico drilling before?

agree..... like myself.... hand so small, how to rev up the ball like machiam tim mack? hahahaa.... so dun think i'll ever need this rico drilling, unless i got too much money dunno where to spend.


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Old 15-04-2008, 04:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Anyone tried Rico drilling before?

rev rate is not only dependant on the size of the palm...

rico drilling and sarge easter grip are used to cut down on the rev rate of high rev bowlers


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my friend tried this type of drilling and it was unsuccessful for him.
Perhaps it was quite a waste on the high performance ball as well.. since its a ball to react that way.. by taming it..defeating the purpose
2ndly, the hand thing is correct.. most of us asian don't have that kinda palm or rev rate
(we're mainly forcing to get that while its natural and easy for the americans)

unless you've got too many high performance balls on your hands and want to experiment , i guess the smarter choice would be a less aggressive ball for the drier patterns

What is the unsuccessful reason? What do your friend not like about it? What kind of lane condition he used it on?


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rev rate is not only dependant on the size of the palm...

rico drilling and sarge easter grip are used to cut down on the rev rate of high rev bowlers

True. Leverage, timing and hand position at point of release play a more important role in determining rev rate, not forgetting hand speed as well. There was an interesting debate in the past about whether bigger hands can generate more rev with less effort.

Just curious, do you know of or see anyone using sarge easter grip in Singapore? Should be interesting to see an asian using Rico drill + Sarge easter combo.
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Old 16-04-2008, 03:59 AM   #7 (permalink)
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True. Leverage, timing and hand position at point of release play a more important role in determining rev rate, not forgetting hand speed as well. There was an interesting debate in the past about whether bigger hands can generate more rev with less effort.

Just curious, do you know of or see anyone using sarge easter grip in Singapore? Should be interesting to see an asian using Rico drill + Sarge easter combo.
mi lor...i tried on my roto grip mercury...
and with a finger hole for the pinkie as well
i mean the sarge easter grip...
nice to bowl but a lot of stress on the ring finger cos its the conventional grip and u know w/o the rubber inserts its painful esp when we have been using inserts for so long

as for rico..i tried it b4....the ball driller must know where to place the mass bias cos i tried on 2 balls...1 worked extremely well,the other did not cos i tried it for experimenting purposes 2 years back....
nvr stuck to it anyways cos i rather have high rev rate than to cut down on the rev rate (anyways as a bowler,he/she sud be versatile enuff to know how to be versatile in releases)..if i need to drill the ball weak,i might as well use an entry level or mid range ball better,imagine buying a ferarri and only driving it 50kph all the time,waste of money and spoil the car....

if u know the formula for creating rev rate,u would know that bigger hands are able to generate more rev...thats why each bowler must develop a style of bowling suitable for their physique to realise the full potential of their bowling.....


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Old 16-04-2008, 09:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
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mi lor...i tried on my roto grip mercury...
and with a finger hole for the pinkie as well
i mean the sarge easter grip...
nice to bowl but a lot of stress on the ring finger cos its the conventional grip and u know w/o the rubber inserts its painful esp when we have been using inserts for so long

as for rico..i tried it b4....the ball driller must know where to place the mass bias cos i tried on 2 balls...1 worked extremely well,the other did not cos i tried it for experimenting purposes 2 years back....
nvr stuck to it anyways cos i rather have high rev rate than to cut down on the rev rate (anyways as a bowler,he/she sud be versatile enuff to know how to be versatile in releases)..if i need to drill the ball weak,i might as well use an entry level or mid range ball better,imagine buying a ferarri and only driving it 50kph all the time,waste of money and spoil the car....

if u know the formula for creating rev rate,u would know that bigger hands are able to generate more rev...thats why each bowler must develop a style of bowling suitable for their physique to realise the full potential of their bowling.....

Pyro, thanks for sharing your experience. But I need to know more detail. The ball you drilled rico that works extremely well, what do you mean by that? Less jumpy off dry? Rev rate reduced even if you tried to hit it? Very smooth and arcing shape hook? Earlier or later hook? What kind of lane condition? What ball? For example the radical inferno, which as you know normally with a pin out / cg out drilling it's a skid-snap ball. How would it react if I drill it rico?

I need to know all this details because I have quite a few balls that overlap each other in performance. As such I am thinking instead of having two or three balls for the same condition, I am considering drilling one with rico to weaken the reaction. Also I do not have a dry / light oil ball. I am using polyester for this type of condition and is not very happy with the carry. Yes, I agree with the ferarri metaphor. But my reason for wanting to try the rico is as stated. Need to gather more info first before I jump into it.

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Old 17-04-2008, 02:08 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Pyro, thanks for sharing your experience. But I need to know more detail. The ball you drilled rico that works extremely well, what do you mean by that? Less jumpy off dry? Rev rate reduced even if you tried to hit it? Very smooth and arcing shape hook? Earlier or later hook? What kind of lane condition? What ball? For example the radical inferno, which as you know normally with a pin out / cg out drilling it's a skid-snap ball. How would it react if I drill it rico?

I need to know all this details because I have quite a few balls that overlap each other in performance. As such I am thinking instead of having two or three balls for the same condition, I am considering drilling one with rico to weaken the reaction. Also I do not have a dry / light oil ball. I am using polyester for this type of condition and is not very happy with the carry. Yes, I agree with the ferarri metaphor. But my reason for wanting to try the rico is as stated. Need to gather more info first before I jump into it.

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i was using a symmetical ball for the one that worked well....was a beast with mica(gotta use old ball try cos i dun wann replug it)
the one with the mass biase was the tomahawk by ebonite...
the ball will not rev up so much but will still hit strong....basically it works like a right hander drilling the ball a lefty way...
as for how well its gonna work for u,i cant comment much ....cos u may like it afterall


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i was using a symmetical ball for the one that worked well....was a beast with mica(gotta use old ball try cos i dun wann replug it)
the one with the mass biase was the tomahawk by ebonite...
the ball will not rev up so much but will still hit strong....basically it works like a right hander drilling the ball a lefty way...
as for how well its gonna work for u,i cant comment much ....cos u may like it afterall

That means the symmetric ball with rico works better for you than the asymmetric ball with rico? Quite true also given that the mass bias tends to make an asymmetric ball stronger. Also if the mass bias is not position in the right place with rico drilling, the oil track tends to track over the finger and thumb holes.

Guess the info given thus far is worth a try. Will be using a symmetric ball for that.
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That means the symmetric ball with rico works better for you than the asymmetric ball with rico? Quite true also given that the mass bias tends to make an asymmetric ball stronger. Also if the mass bias is not position in the right place with rico drilling, the oil track tends to track over the finger and thumb holes.

Guess the info given thus far is worth a try. Will be using a symmetric ball for that.
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